Protect The Asset E16 - Pradeep Bala: The mentality of empowering clients as much as possible.
My guest today is Pradeep Bala Pradeep has an exceptionally ambitious corporate career. He also competes as a drug free natural body builder, and he's built a very successful online personal training business. Pradeep is a very goal driven person who wants to empower busy corporate high flyers to take ownership of their health.
I was blown away by the level of empathy that PR deep has for his clients. He goes above and beyond to support and guide busy corporate for. He goes above. I was blown away by the level of empathy that Pradeep has for his clients. He goes above and beyond to support and guide busy corporate professionals on a sustainable health journey.
Pradeep has done an outstanding job of finding his niche, understanding their pain points, being able to meet the clients where they are at and empowering his clients to take ownership of their. As a busy high flying professional himself, Pradeep openly shares his journey, his struggles, training tips, nutrition tips, and so much more on his Instagram account @progresswithPB.
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In this episode, we talk about:
Choosing a niche.
Time management.
Red flags and only taking on clients who are committed to doing the work.
Accountability.
Perfectionism
Empowering your clients
And so much more.
The next hour will fly by as you get swept up in Pradeep incredible passion and energy for helping his clients feel and look their best. So I hope you enjoyed this episode. Let's get stuck in.
Pradeep: [00:02:21] I'm just so immensely honored and I feel very privileged to be on your podcast, you know, thank you so much for having me on I'm currently in Calgary, Canada in a province called Alberta.
[00:02:32] It's a bit south of where I normally live. I normally reside in Edmonton, Alberta for those who don't quite know where that is, if you, if you've ever seen a picture risk picture of the Rocky mountains of lake Louise, or Banff I'm a few hours away from that.
[00:02:49] Stretch: Sounds like a yeah. Beautiful spot to live.
[00:02:51] Pradeep: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's quite nice. I mean, Aberton is a much more blue collar city than Calgary. But just for the next two days, I'm hearing Calgary, seeing some corporate clients.
[00:03:02] Stretch: So people are probably wondering why I've got you on the podcast and what it is you do.
[00:03:05] So if we were to sit next to each other on an airplane, and I asked you the question, like, what, what do you do for, for a living? How would you a, how would you answer.
[00:03:12] Pradeep: That's a great question. I I'm currently a consultant, so I tell anyone I am a creative strategist or, or at least I'm growing to become a creative strategist and you might ask, you know, what, what, what does it even mean?
[00:03:27] So really I am trying to harness data driven strategy and input that within creative campaigns, how do we improve the creative execution across multiple channels, albeit digital radio streaming connected TV, so that we can improve marketing and creative KPIs that ladder up to ultimately business goals.
[00:03:55] So that's what that's really my bread, my bread, but I kind of geek out on that research.
[00:04:00] Stretch: It'll be interesting to have a chat about that. And you're obviously good with marketing. So I'm gonna be interested to hear a little bit more about that side as well. But on the side you do a bit of personal training yeah.
[00:04:10] Pradeep: That is correct. Yes. So this is endeavor. I took up from 20 really 2017. I really felt I could carve myself a niche within the online coaching market. Because there are, there are a plethora of very, and you know, your self stretch, very high level driven data orientated, corporate professionals who work within the C-suite and they will use Excel like a diary and they'll follow it to a tee.
[00:04:42] And so I thought, there needs to be more individuals who can deliver empathy to these individuals because especially when, when you have. Men and women who have exceptionally high, stressful jobs, they're seeking individuals who can help them also feel and look their best. I mean you would hope that if they're driven within their corporate work, they should be driven within their health and fitness.
[00:05:06] The gap that I found with those who talk to me is that they have a hard time finding individuals and, or online coaches who could empathize with the stress that they're dealing with and come up with sustainable solutions that could work within their busy travel schedule or, or corporate meetings or merges or acquisitions.
[00:05:31] And I thought this is a good opportunity opportunity for myself.
[00:05:36] Stretch: That's an awesome niche. I'm curious. How did you find the gap? Is that a gap that you found through your own experience or is that a gap you found just from like talking to your colleagues about, you know, their lifestyles.
[00:05:47] Pradeep: It's not
[00:05:48] only talking to colleagues who have exceptionally stressful corporate positions, but it's also through understanding the different industries I worked in. So case in point bit of history for everyone here listening to this podcast, while I, while I was in London, England, I worked within luxury marketing and branding and understanding that, that the rate at which corporate clients had to travel different countries to look at different fashion designers.
[00:06:18] I often wondered where do they even have the time to just sit down and train? I mean, they're Al they're almost always traveling from one fashion show to the next fashion show, to the next retailer, selling new pieces of the latest season. Fast forward to me now, working within the financial sector again, it's it, people are just on the go all the time.
[00:06:42] And I've always been a part of the conversation where they've mentioned, ah, you know what man, like, I, my, my health is just kind of declining. It's kind of on the back burner. I'll do, I'll do my fitness later. I know it's important. I just, I just don't have time for it. I haven't found someone who just understands the stuff I go through.
[00:07:03] And so with that, creating this this, this, this repertoire with them and helping them understand, Hey, I too work a corporate career. I've worked with international companies in London, England. I moved countries to work in finance. So I understand where you're coming from that already helps build trust.
[00:07:23] It helps build a, a line of communication where I can deliver empathy and they just appreciate that much more.
[00:07:31] Stretch: Yeah. I really like that. Like you said, there's that big empathy component, but there's also the authority component of that. Like you're practicing what you preach. You are a busy corporate person, so you understand that lifestyle that they're going through and you're managing to take care of your health and fitness around all of that.
[00:07:48] I'd like to maybe segue into that. Like, can you talk to us a little bit about your training history? Have you always been in the gym or is that something that evolved, you know, later on in life and you know, what style of training are you working for on yourself?
[00:08:00] Pradeep: Yeah. You know what? I began weightlifting since I was 16.
[00:08:04] And obviously it wasn't as serious when I was a lot younger. But later on when I was in university in McGill, Montreal and there, and thereafter, when I was in my graduate university in London, England training became a lot more serious. It became a form of escape for me, so to speak away from my you know, stressful days during courses.
[00:08:27] And later on, when I entered my corporate positions training was almost a part of my day. I really look forward to, and the style of training was very much bodybuilding. You know, because I mean, for, for your listeners who don't know, I compete as a drug free natural bodybuilder away from my corporate career.
[00:08:47] And I don't tell this to every everybody, but for those who know, they know. And so obviously my training is very intense. It is very strenuous and, and so trying to balance an exceptionally ambitious corporate career along with my training schedule has become a skill of mine. And so now I'm trying to distill the main key learnings to other corporate professionals to prove to them that, Hey, listen, you don't have to stress so much about this.
[00:09:17] Let me, let me guide you and walk you through this process.
[00:09:21] Stretch: I'm really looking forward to sort of tap into how you manage your time, cuz it sounds like, you know, you are pretty busy with the corporate job. You're a high flyer, you do a lot of travel. You know, you've got your body building and training to take seriously and plus you're doing, you know, all this sort of personal training stuff.
[00:09:34] But before we get into that, can you tell us, like when did your, you know, coaching career start? Is that something from a young age or is that something that evolved later on as well?
[00:09:41] Pradeep: I began to provide coaching services once I moved to Canada in 2016, it was a very few select individuals who I knew through friends. And so friends just spread the word about saying, Hey, you know what? I know, I know a gentleman who can help you within this and that way you, you should talk to him. And so I began taking on less than a handful of clients because it was all that I could manage at that point.
[00:10:07] And even to this day, I don't take on more than 10 clients simply because the quality of the product I deliver has to be top notch. I know how much I can accommodate given my own corporate schedule and also the level of attention I love to give to clients. So to answer your question, coaching services began in 2017 and they slowly, gently picked up through social proof.
[00:10:38] And by working with clients who really were determined to make sustainable changes from a core lifestyle standpoint.
[00:10:48] Stretch: When that opportunity came out like, so you are training and you're working and then you you've been approached to, oh, look, I think you'd be a good match. Do you wanna help out these people who need a need a trainer?
[00:10:58] What went through your head? Like, is that sort of something that you saw yourself doing, becoming a coach or what made you decide? Okay. Yeah. I wanna work with clients. I,
[00:11:05] Pradeep: I, there was no point when I thought I want to become a full-time coach. I really felt I, I felt sad for those individuals who felt lost in their journey to be brutally honest.
[00:11:20] I was more driven emotionally to say, Hey, you know what? I just, I just wanna help you. I, I, I don't want to see you struggle. Like me hearing about your struggles makes me feel pain. Like I don't, I, there's no reason for you to feel overwhelmed and, and lost in your journey as a corporate professional, who feels you can't lead a healthier lifestyle.
[00:11:47] And so I, I honestly reached out to help individuals from a very good sincere intention to see that they improved their overall health and wellbeing.
[00:11:58] Stretch: What, what do you get out of that now? Like when you start working with clients and you start seeing the transformation and just how much you can help them, what does that do for you as a coach?
[00:12:06] Pradeep: Oh, that's, that's a great question. Stretch. I mean, at this point now, since it is a, a business for me and something, I take immensely seriously, seeing clients reach very specific milestones in their own unique journey because everyone's journey is different. As you know, as you've worked with clients, seeing them reach specific, laid out measurable goals is so fulfilling for me because it is not only, I mean, forget me for a second.
[00:12:36] It's a Eureka moment for the client. It's a Eureka moment for the corporate client, because they now begin to fix all those Lego blocks that been, that we've been working together for months, if not years, and finally clicks and they say, oh right. Now it makes sense. Now, now, now I have built up enough of the prerequisite to be in this specific situation.
[00:13:04] In fact, you recently on your stories, you had mentioned developing the core skills before doing a handstand, the prerequisites that are required before reaching the destination, as you beautifully said, stretch. So it, it is so fulfilling for me when clients get the Eureka moment and understand the tools required for their long term sustainability, because ultimately I'm in the business of helping the corporate client builds long term sustainable tools that, that, that are really timeless.
[00:13:39] They should be able to use those skills. No matter if they're in Tokyo or traveling to Los Angeles the next day, or have emergent acquisition in London, England, that's most important for me.
[00:13:51] Stretch: The energy that you have when you speak about that, like the clients receiving results or achieving their results, the fulfillment and everything, that's there.
[00:13:59] Like I can really see that, that, you know, puts a spark in, in, in you, have you ever felt that you would leave the corporate job and become a full-time coach? And if not, why not?
[00:14:09] Pradeep: I have immensely big corporate ambitions. I am someone who is zero or a hundred in terms of starting something, which with my corporate career.
[00:14:25] And there, there are places I would love to go people I love to meet and work with. And I have this bucket list. The one phrase that comes to my mind is memento Mo and I, I, and hopefully I'm translating this correctly, but remember that we all will die one day. And so for me, I want to definitely check off specific boxes in my corporate career and, and, and be fulfilled there as well before I decided to, to full time turn over and do online coaching.
[00:14:57] But for now with the current clients, I have, it is the quality of the end product that I really admire and dig pride in.
[00:15:06] Stretch: I'd like to talk a little bit more about that product. So if I was a client and I was coming to work with you, is there sort of prerequisites I have to meet? Or how do you, you know, recruit your clients and start to work, you know, with these, you know, Highline, corporate clients that you, you do work with.
[00:15:20] Pradeep: I think there has to be a great fit that I, I don't take on anyone who just randomly DMS me and ask for help. There has to be a specific kind of driven mentality that I admire individuals who, who, who really thrive on the mentality that they're driven within their work can almost always be translated into their health and fitness endeavors.
[00:15:50] So if you were to come on board as a client, I would like to first have a chat with you. Let's have a phone call and let's just discuss what is your current work schedule like? Because for me, I'll be jotting down notes to understand. This is what his corporate life is like. And these are the expectations he has.
[00:16:11] What, what honestly is, is, is an achievable timeline. And if we go back and forth on this great conversation and you understand that there are specific prerequisites required, which you will meet no matter what, and you are willing to work with me and talk to me when you meet obstacles or receive future obstacles that goes to show that stretch.
[00:16:36] You really want to embrace an open communication with me and to make this work because I am not in the business of giving yourself a program and just say, Hey, you know, I'll, I'll talk to you in a week and a half or two weeks. I am very pro communication. And for someone who is open minded, like yourself, who wants to have these check-ins and understands.
[00:17:03] That you want to learn as much as possible. That's the mentality I'm looking for. Yeah.
[00:17:10] Stretch: Excellent. Is there certain red flags that you have? Like if you're in a conversation talking to these corporates and they're busy and they're like, I'm gonna struggle and I'm gonna have this problem or I've got the family or whatever they start to put on the table.
[00:17:22] Is they, are they red flags to you or do you have certain things you just go look, I don't think you're ready for the type of training that I'm gonna put on the table.
[00:17:29] Pradeep: Yeah, that, that's a great question. I don't think enough podcast. I don't think enough conversations surround red flags. What is a red flag for potential client and or as a coach trying to bring on a potential client?
[00:17:44] For me, one of the biggest red flags is they have exceptionally tight timelines. They have expectations that that are just not possible. They're very gungho to a very short timeline. And they aren't communicative enough or openminded enough to, to tell me everything that is going on within the background of their eating habits so that we can make appropriate changes.
[00:18:17] So say for instance if, if I were to ask a client or potential client, are you open minded to writing me a diary, a two to three day diary Friday to Monday, as an example of everything you eat or drink, are you open to that? If there is immediate hesitancy, because they might feel, oh, you know what, you, you, you don't need to gimme, you don't need all the information.
[00:18:43] Like why do you need the information? Just, just gimme the damn program and, and, and just show me the results. That is not the mentality I want. I want individuals who, who, who want somebody who who's willing to guide them in a very caring fashion, someone who will keep them accountable and show them that it's okay for you to have a glass of wine.
[00:19:06] That's fine. There's no judgment on me. If anything, I want you to embrace foods and not think that's good and bad food. So yes, red flag, immediate red flag is very short timelines, high expectation, and no room for long term growth.
[00:19:24] Stretch: Very important. And I like the way that you've got red flags or you know, who your clients are.
[00:19:28] I can really see that you value your time. And obviously with the limited availability that you have, you really want to be working with those clients who are committed to the process. You brought up accountability there, and I'm curious to know, like, what sort of accountability, what does it look like?
[00:19:41] So if I'm a client enough, I haven't got any red flags and we start working together. What's that journey that you sort of take your clients on.
[00:19:48] Pradeep: Great question in terms of accountability. And this is something I really stress because all of my prior mentors also stressed it with me. Accountability is, is something that really helps all of my clients achieve measurable goals.
[00:20:06] And so when, when we go back and forth over several emails, considering food choices that you would enjoy and a training split that, that, that you can accommodate within your busy work life schedule, because let's be honest and you know, this better than anybody's stretch. They can't be training five days a week with four cardio sessions, a HITT cardio session and train to failure.
[00:20:31] It like , they, they have such stressful corporate jobs. And so once we go through a detailed email thread and come to a consensus, this is what you can handle. I love to start out with two. Accountability check-ins for the first three to four weeks, because I like to ensure that in the first week, do they have any questions?
[00:20:56] What is coming up as an obstacle already that you did not foresee, or that we did? Not that we, as a team did not foresee. So it'll be on Wednesday, just me having a WhatsApp call, you know, just, Hey, you know, what's going on? Like talk to me, send me a quick voice note. How are you doing? Is it, is, can you cook the food correctly?
[00:21:15] Do you, do you need me to help you find a meal prep company? What's your budget. Let's talk about that. And then the first formal check-in will be on a Saturday morning when they're on their weekend. And we go through an email, email series of questions and we look at okay, what were your first week's great wins?
[00:21:34] What are opportunities to improve and how can we improve them? And let's perhaps start trying out these specific methods to improve week two. And so, yes accountable is very big for me within the first month, two week check-ins within every single week for the first month and thereafter when clients are a bit more comfortable we go through once a week.
[00:21:57] Stretch: And the program like you, you are sending them just an online program and it's up to them to get to their local gym, or, you know, you've got a list of equipment that they've got, or how do you structure the training side of that?
[00:22:07] Pradeep: Everyone's completely different StreTch. I mean, I've had clients who aren't as comfortable going back into a gym set gym setting.
[00:22:15] I mean, considering COVID once that massive craziness, swept Canada, a number of clients just felt I don't wanna go back into gym right now. My health is a priority. I don't want my partner to fall sick. I don't want my kids to fall sick. Can we do something at home? And so we made amend. So based on the level of comfort of the client, if they want to train at home, I will make specific recommendations on the kit they have, or what is their budget, to be honest, what is their budget to get gym kit within their high rise condo or, or in their house because everyone's budget is different. So based on that, and or if they're going back into a gym setting, the programs will be catered accordingly.
[00:22:59] Stretch: I think a lot of coaches have had to be quick to adapt with all the COVID stuff and what's been going on and it's interesting to see some people rushing back to the gym, I suppose, that like that community feel. But then a lot of people have found that, you know, they can train at home and it does save them a lot of time in terms of that commuting backwards and forwards.
[00:23:15] Which is a great thing. I'm curious to know, like what's the sort of longevity of the clients you work with. If you've got very limited spaces and it sounds like, you know, you're very goal orientated and the clients come in and, and work with you. Is there a certain length of time that you work with them or is it ongoing or how do you sort of structure that.
[00:23:30] Pradeep: So I tell all my clients, we will work on a month to month basis until you reach a specific point where you feel immensely confident in the tools that you have learned with me. And so I don't promise to tell them, you know, what will be done in three months, we'll be done in six months to, to give you a great example.
[00:23:53] I now have a client who's been with me for almost two and a bit years. And she has, she has come so far in terms of her body composition. It, it is just taking time for her, given her work schedule, her travels, moving cities and the, and the kinds of priorities we have set up for her to improve her association with food, her calorie tolerance.
[00:24:18] And so I am with the clients as long as required. I mean, I've been with clients as short as three months, who just say, you know what? I have a good grasp of things, you know, thank you very much for your time. And I have clients who just want to remain with me because they continue to see the results that they achieve through our long term relat.
[00:24:40] Stretch: Yeah,
[00:24:41] I really admire your approach there. Cause I think a lot of coaches take on clients and they sort of get the client to depend on them. So they're doing all the work, the programming, but they're not teaching the clients, the tools they need to better take it away and, and manage their own health and fitness.
[00:24:56] They're not empowering their clients. And it sounds like, you know, that's something that you're really trying to work on. It's like, okay, this is how it all works. You're giving them the education, the material, and you're getting them to a state where they can run with that. Is that something you've always done or that's just something you've learned over time to be the best solution for the type of clients you're working with.
[00:25:14] Pradeep: Yeah. You, you, you nailed exactly when you said empower, that's the word? It is the, the goal for me is always to empower the client to develop long term sustainable tools. That's the goal, as, as much as you know, online coaching is, is a business, and we want to have clients as long as possible to make this a, a, a fruitful business.
[00:25:43] I am of the mentality of empowering clients as much as possible. And if they want to leave, that's fine. I feel immensely fulfilled when they tag me months later on social media and say, Hey, thanks, Pradeep. I am now working in Vancouver and I haven't gained back the way that we've lost. I'm enjoying all this kind of food and wine.
[00:26:07] I'm stronger. I look sexy in a bikini. Just thank you so much. That for me is fulfilling to see. I have helped empower the client to live a healthier if not even happier life like that. That, that, that for me just makes me smile. So yeah, it, it's, it's really been about empowering the client that fulfills me at the end of the day stretch.
[00:26:29] Whatever I try to do is meant to fulfill me as, as, as, as kind of like a, like a human being, if that makes sense. It's not always meant to be business revenue results in terms of my online coaching.
[00:26:43] Stretch: Have you ever done face to face training or has it always been an online business for you?
[00:26:46] Pradeep: This has always been an online business for me. I, I don't have the time and capacity to meet in person. However, for the two clients who did live in Edmonton, I did make the time to see them in person and to lift and train with them in person. And it's only then they quite realized what training to failure really meant.
[00:27:08] Stretch: How do you go pushing these clients? So they're a corporate client. They're obviously busy and maybe they haven't had much gym experience and now you're taking them as an online client. Like how have you found their ability to take on that responsibility of their own training? And and how do you make sure that they're doing things safely?
[00:27:24] Pradeep: Great question with any of the programming that I provide. I always mindfully ask, what is their training history? What are they comfortable doing within their capacity, where they feel safe? Where they don't feel ill injure themselves if they do have a history of injury, or if they've just given, if they've just, if, if they're, if they're a mom and they're just sort of getting back into training, I will get them to rely on their physio therapist and or in person, individual who they see.
[00:28:01] And based on the recommendations that the physiotherapist provides them, the client and the client provides me, we make appropriate changes and recommendations. I mean, case in point I'm working with a busy mom in New York with two young children and for her to get back in training, we had to be very careful about the movements prescribed.
[00:28:24] So say for instance at any point for her to brace like heavily brace in her deadlift movements or RDL's or squats we had to move very, very slowly, like incredibly slowly. So being mindful of the training history and what's going on is a priority for me, for those who are, are much more ambitious at the gym.
[00:28:44] I get them to record. Record your movements for me in two different angles, if you can, and let's start to assess, let's assess to ensure you are performing these movements as correctly as you can. And that has been beneficial for a number of clients.
[00:29:00] Stretch: I think it's definitely a skill to learn how to coach online.
[00:29:03] Obviously you're not there for the tactile feedback, but having the video recordings is definitely something I've found useful, you know, as an online coach and it's, I think it's great for clients to have that visual representation. Obviously they don't see themselves lifting and even like face to face, they don't have that opportunity always unless the coach is filming, but I think there's a lot you can do with, you know, that video coaching it's can surprise a lot of coaches, just how much you can have an impact when you're not side by side with the client.
[00:29:28] Pradeep: What I've found is if the client isn't completely getting the notes, I've provided to them based on their video, I will just video it for them. So I will exaggerate. The movement that they're doing and, and try to show them appropriate form to my best ability and convey that and translate that across video.
[00:29:50] So likewise, within your coaching stretch, I mean, have you found that providing videos of you performing the movement helpful to the client?
[00:29:58] Stretch: Yeah, mate, I've got a YouTube channel now with like close to 2000 exercise videos on it. And for me, a lot of the gymnastic stuff is is very technical. So like learning to handstand or learning to muscle up or learning to do certain skills requires a lot.
[00:30:12] And even like sometimes with my mobility stuff, I think, you know, everybody has a good idea what a squat is or a deadlift is, or there's plenty of content out there. But when we talk about a 90, 90 pigeon stretch, people are like, well, what's that? Or we talk about, you know, PNF or contract and relax, and people are like, whoa.
[00:30:27] So I think, you know, some of the stuff that I'm trying to teach is not common knowledge. So yeah, I've had to create a heap of content. And I use like a third party app where I can link all of my videos into the app and then that distributes to my clients. So they've got instant access to all those videos.
[00:30:40] Every time I write the program, which has been super, super helpful.
[00:30:43] Pradeep: That sounds immensely streamlined. We should chat. Afterwards, once this podcast is over to, to kinda understand what your entire process is.
[00:30:52] Stretch: Yeah. More than happy to share that. Mate. We'd love to share that with you. And like I said, there's a whole YouTube of exercises there, if you wanna have the access to them. Like I share everything I create with, with a wider audience. You know, I just think as a, as a whole, as a community of, in terms of the health and fitness culture, we need to get more information out there. I know a lot of people create channels and they keep it private, but I'm just like, well, you know, I can give away all this content, you know, we talked about it's about empowering the clients, you know, whether they need me or not as a coach, I still want to be able to help people.
[00:31:19] So if someone gets a hold of, you know, a front leave video or a handstand video and it helps them, that's awesome. I'm happy for happy for them to take that. Yeah, my next thing I wanna chat about, you know, you mentioned mentors and I'm curious because obviously, you know, you've got a corporate career and you're busy with that.
[00:31:33] Where do you find time for this education? Like, obviously you've got a lot of learned experience from, you know, you being in the trenches doing the hard work, but like what other sort of things have you found useful in terms of mentors, books, education, all that sort of stuff.
[00:31:47] Pradeep: The, the only reason I can perform the way I do in the trenches is because of the mentors I've had over time. And so this comes back to the importance of self investment investing in cell, ensure that we learn from individuals who are a lot more successful, are a lot more smarter and are a lot more educated.
[00:32:11] And so for myself, hiring specific individuals across the fitness industry has paid me immense dividends to, to distill down information to my corporate clients. So initially it was Justin McGuire from ultimate performance which I'm sure you also remember incredible astute gentleman with a wealth of knowledge who has helped me tremendously over the years in London, England thereafter, it was Jordan Peters who, who really is, is really the epitome of bud and guts, to be honest.
[00:32:45] But his, his. Key focus with nutrition was absolutely incredible, which helped me learn leaps and bounds. And then from there, obviously being very much cued into what kinds of content like, like the content you're providing is most gonna be beneficial for me to learn. So say for instance, being a part of the N one education community, learning from their side, learning how to perform movements better to improve my knowledge of biomechanics with training.
[00:33:18] That's important from N one from coach Casson you know, soon I'll be budgeting to learn from the, the muscle dark Jordan shallows learning soon from him, hopefully in 2023. And so the only reason. I can provide empowering education and skills to my clients is because the investment I make in myself from very key, notable fitness authorities who are, who are honestly educating all of us at the same time.
[00:33:52] Stretch: I love what you say there. I think as a coach, it's important to have mentors all the time. If you don't have a coach, then why should people invest in you? If you don't believe in coaching and you're not seeking that. And you know, it's just such a broad industry that we're in.
[00:34:04] We can't possibly know it all. There's never a point in time where you can say, well, I know it all. I can stop learning now. There's always something, you know, we can learn. And I'm, I'm like you, I've always invested in coaches and I will continue to invest in coaches all of the time.
[00:34:17] Pradeep: Even to this day for the past, I think year and a half, I still have a coach. So my current coach is based a London and England coach, Josh McKay. And he in himself is, is exceptionally accomplished, exceptionally well educated. And he's helped me learn a lot through my own journey regarding nutrition and training.
[00:34:39] So even to this day, I still have a coach in the same fashion. People have business mentors, business coaches, and whatnot. It's also important for, for us as online coaches who want to grow our business to still have culture. So very well said stretch. I completely agree with you.
[00:34:57] Stretch: That's the next thing I wanna chat to you about? Have you ever had a business coach or business mentor and how do you go about attracting clients?
[00:35:03] Pradeep: Gotcha. Two part question I have yet to have a business mentor specifically within the online coaching space, one individual who comes to my mind and who's audiobook I am listening to is from Alex Hormozi.
[00:35:21] Alex Hormozi is an incredible American entrepreneur and he's written a book about leads I've I, I, the title of the name is, is, is not in my head at this point, but the content he puts out based on how to close sales. Conquer customer objectives or, or client objectives at the point of sale and or improving how we position our business and price points within our, within any business industry really has been very eye-opening for me.
[00:35:59] So there's anything I would, I would recommend for people to intently learn from him is from Alex. You know, so in terms of business mentorship, I do passively learn from him. But what about yourself? I mean, do you have a business.
[00:36:13] Stretch: I've gone through different business coaches. Yeah. So for a little while there, I, I just had a coach that I would meet individually one to one.
[00:36:20] And then I was part of I think called creative club, which is set up here in Australia. So John and Ruby are part they're partnership and they run that and it's sort of like group coaching, but there's some individual sort of stuff there as well. But yeah, I just sort of found that going online, you know, there's, we know a wealth of stuff about coaching and we're great at personal training and helping our clients and empowering our clients, but there's a whole side of it about marketing and sales that I didn't really get a good understanding of a lot of my initial online clients were clients that had met me face to face when I owned the gym or clients that had trained, trained with me in the past, or they'd had referrals from people who knew me, but building that new connection building trust, as we talked about before online was a difficult part of that.
[00:37:01] And it was like, well, I need. Get some business skills or I need to understand some of the business skills so I can start to attract more clients. So yeah, I've been investing more in business coaching as I've tried to start to grow the online business.
[00:37:13] Pradeep: That's great stretch. You know, it's great that you have a community there.
[00:37:18] Stretch: It's a bit of accountability and also a great way to connect with other entrepreneurs and business owners. So they're not all in coaching. There's a wealth of different people there. So, you can get great ideas, obviously from talking to others about how they're growing their business.
[00:37:29] Pradeep: That's fantastic. I mean, there probably are clubs like this within the province of Alberta. I just simply haven't reached out to, to look for any, but to answer your second question in terms of how do I attract clients, the content I put forth and provide, I like to attack topics that are top of mind for corporate individuals who are on the go and who cannot overcome the most immediate obstacle that they're facing.
[00:37:58] So case in point currently I am recording content of how do you still manage to stay on track while on a two day work trip? So I'm taking my real life experience and distilling down the key notes as content to market on my social. And then over time that does attract the, the, the specific individuals I'm most interested in working in.
[00:38:23] So for me, it comes down to the social media content plus word of mouth. As in, when I have capacity.
[00:38:30] Stretch: Mm. I like the clarity in your message, you know, who you train and you're already talking about their pain points. So you're really trying to connect with a specific client and you're not sort of stepping out of that zone.
[00:38:41] You're not starting to talk about back pain, or you're not starting to talk about sports performance and you're not jumping all over the place. You've got this corporate client, this high flying busy person that just probably struggles mostly what's their biggest pain point. Would it be time? Do you think?
[00:38:54] Pradeep: Great question. Two points. I think it's very important for every online coach to really understand what's their niche. What's the demographic, what's the persona and attack that from a marketing standpoint, as well as with content. That's very important in terms of the number one pain point for a number of our corporate clients.
[00:39:18] It comes down to time management. It's not that. They don't have the time. I mean, to be really honest, in some instances, some people literally don't have the time and we have to reassess a few things, but for a plethora, it is time management. How can we effortlessly meet specific objectives? Like so, so I need to often go on phone calls with a few of these clients and ask them, okay, please talk to me about your day.
[00:39:51] Is it, I, I honestly ask them, is the meal planning too complicated for you to cook? If so. Okay, great. We can simplify it because I'm coming from the standpoint of these clients need variety, also get board. Contrary to popular belief stretch. They want the same stuff. They don't have time to make a gourmet meal to enjoy at the end of their Workday.
[00:40:19] They they're like this. And so for me, again, to answer your question, it is trying to help them solve time management situations. There might be a single mum with two kids or married, working, traveling mum with two kids and a husband in New York. Or there might be single in Singapore. It is always come down.
[00:40:42] It always comes down to time management. How can we make a much more efficient training program for you? Can you really only do four days a week? Okay, great. Let's do upper lower, upper lower with two different versions. And, and go from there. So, yes, to answer your question with these corporate clients it is always time management.
[00:41:02] Stretch: I love what you said there about, you know, the niche. I'm a big fan of, you know, personal trainers , choosing their niche. And also like the idea that, you know, you've obviously really connected with that niche client to figure out those pain points. And when you speak that message clearly with your social media, like it's attracting clients, people are coming to you for those expertise.
[00:41:19] Plus the empathy and authority that you have to show around, you know, busy corporates. Now we can segue beautifully into time management because we've just tapped on the importance of them being able to manage their time. But dude, you're a busy, busy band, corporate job, personal training, your own training, your own health.
[00:41:35] You're probably preparing all your own food. Let's talk time management. How do you stay on top of it or.
[00:41:40] Pradeep: Right.
[00:41:41] where lead from a place of honesty. And for anyone who's listening to protect the asset podcast, I will tell you that for me to manage everything I do sometimes get burnt out. I am not a machine. I, I too feel that on some days like, man, like, this is why, like, what am I doing? You know, there was a point in time when I was, there was a major campaign for my corporate client that, that I had to help bring to market with the team I was taking acting courses out of nowhere, I was competing in a drug tested national bodybuilding show.
[00:42:25] And I was prepping my food, doing cardio, doing training. So there was so much on my plate, however, Very quickly. I realized that there were so many things in my life that wasted time that really, really wasn't necessary for me to pay attention, to say, for instance I couldn't talk about what happened in season five of some, some, some Netflix show.
[00:42:53] I mean, , I have no idea. I mean, no, I, I haven't tried the, the, the latest, you know, mocktail at the latest bar on, on the, on the hundred floor of some, I mean, I, I just did not ha I just did not have the time when I needed to make and, or meet specific objectives. And so let's just take away the competitive side.
[00:43:16] If we look at me currently traveling for work, the online coaching, prepping my own meals and my own training, it comes down to what do I want to make a priority in my life? It has to be enough of a priority so that I carve out time for it. So if it means me wanting fresh cooked meals every single day, then that means spending at least 45 minutes at nighttime before I pass out cooking fresh food.
[00:43:48] And so it, it comes down to, again, priority. If it's a, if it is enough of a priority I will place or, or we will value in it. And therefore we get to manage a more within our. Yeah, and this is how I operate stretch. It's how I'm able to get a lot done in my day. It's how I somehow manage to do online courses every now and then.
[00:44:15] And yes, I do feel burnt out. I am human. I don't want anyone to think that what you see in social
[00:44:22] is, is, is, is
[00:44:24] me every single day. I am just like you I'm just like your listeners. I, you know, I have my bad days. I have my great days, but ultimately it's how consistent I can be by managing all that I have on my plate, because over the long term, cause that's a really honest stretch.
[00:44:41] We look back and say, right, was I at least 85% consistent this year? What I've found with many clients they taught for perfection. And they wait for the perfect day. Perfect time, perfect meal, perfect training. And they never get there because their perfection leads to a sense of paralysis. And so in order for, for myself and clients to get a lot done in our day with time management, you would rather be 85% proficient than that, as opposed to dying, to aim for a hundred percent.
[00:45:16] What do you think?
[00:45:17] Stretch: I couldn't agree with you more. I think, you know, perfectionism, isn't a good thing to have. We have a lot of clients who are, like you say, aiming for this perfectionism. And I think we have a lot of coaches doing it too with their online businesses. They're wanting everything to be perfect, everything to be in place, to be able to launch a product or sell a service that is a hundred percent perfect, but it's probably never gonna happen.
[00:45:37] And just to step onto the field and start playing the game, whether it's training or whether it's business, you gonna progress much faster. So I a hundred percent agree with you there. You mentioned there like meal preps in the nighttime, you're setting up that 45 minutes to, to plan your meals. Have you got like strict sort of morning and evening routines that you follow.
[00:45:56] Pradeep: Nighttime routines are, are, are pretty strict. My brain just turns off into zombie mode. I just, I, it just goes right. Okay. We're gonna take this pan out. Pan number two, we're gonna put this there. We're starting. I just, just robotic at nighttime. That's that's what hack was for me, my meal prep in the morning.
[00:46:15] I love to sleep in I'm not a morning person. So I like to at least make my coffee. I like to, you know, just make it fresh in the morning or grab an express. So I just relax for a little bit and then start my day.
[00:46:28] That, that that's, that's how I work.
[00:46:31] Stretch: Yeah. Are you religious with training times? Have you gotta set time during the day where you like to train?
[00:46:34] Pradeep: I'm very much an an evening person. You know, I, I love to be at the gym around 7:00 PM or 8:00 PM for many individuals that might be far too late, depending on, on their own schedule. But I've trained as late as 10 30 at night on Sundays, just because my corporate work was so stressful or a client reached out and said, Hey, Pradeep listen. I, I I'm stressing about this. I dunno what to do. Can you help me? I would stop part of my day after my corporate work to email the client to help them find a solution. Before I go to the gym.
[00:47:10] Stretch: Wow. That's dedication
[00:47:11] Pradeep: that's because I just want them to succeed week of a week. And so yeah. You know, I, I, I generally train in the evening and, and sometimes for too late to fo good. To be honest.
[00:47:20] Stretch: With such a busy schedule, I suppose you gotta fit it in there. The, the rock pops in my mind every now and again, cuz you see him training like close to midnight. He posts, you know, stuff up there and he said, oh, late session in the gym Friday. But obviously he's a busy dude too mate.
[00:47:32] You and you and him very similar.
[00:47:33] Pradeep: I, I think, I think yeah, I, I, the biggest question I have for doing Johnson because DJ, I know you will listen to this podcast one day. I know you will listen to it. How do you get enough? Yeah. If you, if, if, if he's training at midnight and has to go wheels up in the Eagle, in his private jet at 4:00 AM, how does this man get any sleep to function like he's bowel is that's my biggest question.
[00:48:04] Stretch: I'll make sure when he comes on the podcast to ask him, mate,
[00:48:06] Pradeep: please kinda question
[00:48:10] Stretch: mate, you've mentioned stress a couple times. You know, you mentioned the stress of the corporate world. You mentioned being burnt out. What have you found to be useful in terms of managing that stress?
[00:48:19] Pradeep: Yeah. In terms of managing stress stretch, we all have our own ways of dealing with it. For myself, I love going on walks alone.
[00:48:31] I need to be. There is, there's a lot of beauty and peace I find in solitude. So for me, if, if it's a nice, cool evening, I love going for a walk. Perhaps away from downtown and just sitting down and just breathing. I have to, I, I, I love to practice breathing when I'm alone. And I'm just in my own thoughts and understanding the things I have achieved this day or this week, and just, just really collecting myself and saying, Hey man, it's it's it's okay.
[00:49:06] It's, it's okay to be human. It's okay. To take some time for yourself and practice self care. So if it means me going, going on vacation once a year to Maui or Kauai, then, then so be it. If it means me spending time with my best mate and walking his dog on a Sunday, I'm going to do that. So yeah, it's it.
[00:49:28] I mean, those are the things I really enjoy. I mean, how do you manage stress given, given your, your work schedule stretch.
[00:49:34] Stretch: Yeah, the self care is big and like I'm a planner. So usually on a Sunday I'll sit down and I'll plan. My week, I'll look at, you know, what's sort of coming up, but one of the first things I do in my schedule is, okay, where am I gonna fit in self care this week?
[00:49:46] So a bit of a morning routine up going for walks and stuff like that. First thing in the morning before breakfast, making time for breakfast, always sitting down eating a good breakfast. I don't have coffee until after food. So never coffee on empty stomach. I always schedule time. I've actually got an infrared sauna at home.
[00:50:00] So like on my sort of heavier days of training, I'll make sure I schedule time for like a 40 minute sauna after training or in the evening sort of there. Yeah, we've got a, we've got a lovely little swimming hole about 10 minute drive from us, which is just in the middle of the jungle and it's just.
[00:50:14] Pure fresh crystal clear water, icy cold. So, you know, once or twice a week, we might just drive there and it's just in nature, mate. So you're just chilling. And like you say, it's the breathing it's just relaxing. I think gratitude's a big thing in my weekly planning. I'll I will do gratitude. It sounds, you know, similar to you just sitting back and recognizing the good things that are happening around you.
[00:50:33] And the good things that you are achieving, you know, we're always pushing ourselves to do more that, to do list is never gonna end. But we don't recognize how far we have come. So I think just sort of looking at that sort of stuff, the positive stuff can keep you on track. And in my planning stuff, like I'm really good at putting down too much, like, okay, today I'm gonna do these 10 things.
[00:50:50] And it's like, really, I should just do five, just do five. So I'm learning that. And that's a, that's a good thing for me, cuz you know, being a gym owner in the past and always having clients and doing so much I'm prone to burnout too. You know, that's one thing that sort of got me. Throughout my personal training career training for marathons and triathlons, then training for CrossFit stuff and such high intensity training.
[00:51:11] And I've learned to scale that back now with the gymnastics and mobility stuff. So yeah, always looking into it, but there are like you, you know, there are moments where I do feel burnt out. There are moments where I feel like I'm pretty stressed. There's a lot going on. But yet I think that those times maybe meditation, maybe a bit of journaling it sort of goes up and down in peaks and troughs, depending on, you know, what's going on in my life.
[00:51:29] Really.
[00:51:29] Pradeep: Do you find journaling? Very therapeutic?
[00:51:33] Stretch: Not at the start. Like I I'd sit there and I'd really struggle to to think what, what to write. But I think writing's a big part of, you know, just being able to let go. So I just sort of got stuck into a few books about writing and just sort of, I'm a big reader.
[00:51:46] I do enjoy reading. And that sort of helped just a little bit to start sort of writing and thinking more about, yeah, my experience, my journey, the hurdles and obstacles I've faced. And some of that, some of that stuff, I'm starting to share a little bit on social, but a lot of it, you know, I, I don't share, but it's just a nice way to reflect and, and to speak about that.
[00:52:04] So I'd like to write more, I'd like to better do it every day if I could, but you know, if I sit down and write once or twice a week, that's, that's a good thing for me, but yeah, I think it's each of their own, like say some things work well for some people and other things add, you know, more complexity or more stress in that sense.
[00:52:19] So, yeah. Are you a writer at all or ever done any of that sort of. I,
[00:52:23] Pradeep: I found writing very important for me when I was on vacation stretch. It was probably one o'clock in the morning when I was in Maui with a bunch of friends. And of course I was, I was, I was not the, I was the fifth wheel this time on our vacation.
[00:52:39] And so I was just the, at the, at the kitchen table and I just began writing. There was just a lot on my mind that I had to let go of right. For all your listeners. When I go on vacation, I cannot just go vacation mode. It takes me a good four to five days to leave my corporate go, go, go, go, go mindset.
[00:53:00] Oh my goodness. What am, what are my clients doing? My online coaching? Are they okay? Let me check in with them, for me, just to let go of all of that takes a lot of time. And so one fine morning at 1:00 AM. I was just writing down how I felt about everything I was doing places I could improve. What do I feel this way?
[00:53:21] Is it, is it, is it, is it okay for me to be feeling these, these thoughts? Are they unwarranted? What, what can I do within my capacity to make changes so that I can improve the way I think and feel, and therefore operate within my corporate career and the, and this level of service with my online coaching clients.
[00:53:43] So yeah. You know, writing every now and then is, is immensely helpful for me.
[00:53:49] Stretch: Yeah. Wicked. That's good to hear. I think everyone can benefit from just taking that time. And it sounds like, you know, you're very inquisitive in looking at your feelings and sort of what's working well for you questioning what's not working.
[00:54:00] And obviously you make sacrifices. Do you work towards your goals and priorities? I assume you're a big goal. Set yourself in every aspect of life.
[00:54:07] Pradeep: Yes. I yeah, I, I, I very much am. I think what this, this, this, this might sound grim, to be honest, one day I will die. Right? I am. And so until that day comes, what are all the things I want to try to achieve?
[00:54:28] And. And impact, how do I want to impact individuals? How can I give back as much as possible? And if that's through my online coaching business to show individuals that Hey, you can lead a happier and, and healthier life while you are also ambitious in your corporate career, then that is a goal of mine is, is a continually growing goal of mine goals within my corporate career, within my own training places I want to go and visit you know, life is meant to be lived.
[00:55:00] And so how do we, how do I live the most fulfilling life possible so that when I'm on my debt bed, I can say, Hey I'm, I'm, I'm happy. Yeah. Does that resonate at all with
[00:55:11] you stretch?
[00:55:12] Stretch: Yeah, it does. It does really well. And, and every time I ask you a question, you just fold right into the path that I I'm about to take.
[00:55:18] Cause I was my next question was what, what is future plans? Like where do you see yourself in maybe five, five years from now? What are you aiming to achieve?
[00:55:25] Pradeep: Great question.
[00:55:27] Let, okay. So for the context of the listeners and online coaching on, on other people, other other PTs listeners podcast for my online coaching business, it would be to immensely streamline how the service is being provided to clients.
[00:55:45] I wanna empower clients a lot more with a specific custom platform. Where they can learn and understand if they, if they tweak the amounts of foods within their meal and, or substitute things, this, this is how it it's possible to eat at Nandos and also meet their weekly goals. So for me to create a, a platform that my clients can use will be immensely great in terms of the achievement for myself.
[00:56:15] So really streamlining my online coaching business. I want things to be all within a specific hub. How be fantastic. I mean, you just inspired me to consider really creating a library of movements for clients who refer to that's. Something that'll be on the card as well. In terms of my corporate career, I'm trying to get to a C-suite position, right?
[00:56:38] So for me to bring up. The colleagues around me to also elevate and meet business objectives. As I learn, I want everyone else around me to learn with me as well and to win with me. So that's on the front for my corporate career self investment with courses not only for online coaching, but also within my corporate career.
[00:57:03] That's on the college as well within the next five years. And, and also just travel a lot more and, you know, see more of this tiny blue planet. I've never been to Australia, never been to New Zealand. So those are pockets of the planet I'm to explore.
[00:57:18] Stretch: Yeah, no, that sounds great, mate. There's a lot of good balance in there and it's awesome to see that you're not just focused on your own career.
[00:57:23] You're still focused on your clients. If this system that you talk about, if you, if you become more streamlined, do you see yourself taking on more clients?
[00:57:30] Pradeep: All hundred percent. Yeah, 100%. I'll take a lot more clients because I understand where my bottlenecks are within my online coaching.
[00:57:40] And I think it's important for every online PT to understand where their bottlenecks are. So, you can get to take on a lot more clients, as much as you can while preserving the quality of the service. And so for me breaking through those bottlenecks and, and streamlining the entire service would be a big achievement for me.
[00:58:00] Stretch: I look forward to seeing that happen then in the future, I'll hold you to it. Accountability.
[00:58:04] Pradeep: yes, yes. Accountability. Hold it to it.
[00:58:06] Thank you.
[00:58:07] Stretch: Yeah, that's it, mate. Just so at the o'clock I greatly appreciate your time and there's been a wealth of knowledge that you've shared. It's been awesome.
[00:58:13] I've got three questions. I like to ask at the end of the podcast. So I'd just like to step into those now. Number one, is, are there any resources, courses, books, Ted talks, podcasts, whatever it is that have inspired you to, you know, become a coach or improve your career that you'd recommend to other personal trainers.
[00:58:29] Pradeep: Well, definitely. I mean, first off I have to recommend this very podcast to, to everyone read then protect the asset podcast. The level of perspective from every single guest you thus from in is immensely informative is great for individuals to understand how to overcome their own unique obstacles within their PT and, and online coaching service.
[00:58:57] Because the last thing we'd want anyone to think is they are, they are alone in their own coaching business. The reality is many people have faced your similar obstacles in certain different situations. In terms of educational you know, places I to go first off in terms of biomechanics to really properly and more education from coach the team.
[00:59:25] Absolutely phenomenal. The content they put, not only on social, but also within their paid. And I encourage everyone to pay for their content is incredible. You get to learn a lot better in terms of how to not only improve your own training, but also how can you more mindfully provide cues when necessarily to your online coaching clients?
[00:59:51] Cause it, cause you start to see where movement patterns break down. I think that's very important. The, the muscle dog or rather Jordan shallows. His in person seminars will be mind melting a few contrarian ideas. I mean, that's on the schedule for me in 2023 in terms of self investment. I encourage everyone to check him out.
[01:00:15] So yeah, those are for me, the, the education courses that, that really make me hungry to learn more because how can we, I mean, you, you said this best yourself, so how do we empower clients unless we ourselves are investing in ourselves?
[01:00:30] Stretch: It's great to see the excitement that you have around, you know, sharing that content and also the excitement you have for future, you know, learning and stuff that you've got going.
[01:00:37] I think that's awesome to see question number two, like what advice would you give to a younger version of yourself?
[01:00:43] Pradeep: Don't be a perfectionist. no one cares. That's exactly. No one cares. Literally. There are, and this, this quote really stuck to me and it still takes time for me to digest. There are individuals who are doing things I wanna do who are less qualified than me, and are four exceeding me in, in multiple different faces.
[01:01:07] It's hard for me to accept and digest, to be honest. And, and it comes back to my thought of, well, don't we need these specific prerequisites to reach that destination. Yes, we do. But equally, you know, some individuals are excelling so well at things I thought are not ready for. And so, you know, it's, it's, it's a constant reminder for myself that I don't stop being so prolific stretch.
[01:01:33] You know, I, perfection is a form of procrast.
[01:01:37] Stretch: Wise words, mate. I think, especially in the online fitness industry, you know, we can see so many other people when we assume that they're succeeding and they're doing really well. Cuz we are looking at metrics like likes and follows and what they're saying, but the reality of that might not be there.
[01:01:51] But also we are too busy comparing ourselves and worrying about what others are doing when we can just, like we said, step on the field, do what you're good at. Find your niche, just go to work and you know, you will make an impact. And if you're truly passionate about making that impact, then it's gonna happen.
[01:02:04] Just get out there and do it and don't worry what anyone else is saying or doing. So I think there's also a lot of criticism. We have a lot of, you know, people saying that this method's better and that method's better and we're fighting over all this sort of stuff. And in the end it's like, well, you know, not everyone is your client.
[01:02:18] The client will find the coach. That's gonna work for them. And if you know who you're talking to and who you're speaking. Aim aim to talk at your client. Don't worry about talking to your colleagues or having an argument about which, which way is up and which way is down. So yeah. Powerful message mate, perfectionism.
[01:02:31] Isn't that necessarily the way forward. My last question is if you could have dinner with anyone alive or dead, who would it be and, and why?
[01:02:38] Pradeep: Yeah. I would, I would be very keen on having. Dinner with my grandfather who passed away in 2005 when I was a lot younger, when I didn't really understand the value of being in the present moment with somebody. And so I would love to you know, spend time with him and understand what were the dreams and aspirations he had, that he could never live up because of the sacrifices he made for his children to come up better in life.
[01:03:17] Something that's very close to my heart is the immigrant story. You know, because my folks are immigrants to, to the, to the us and Canada. So they had a plethora of sacrifices and dreams they never achieved. So for me, I would love to talk to my grandfather. Who's no longer with me and, and just understand.
[01:03:33] What did you want to achieve in life? What did you want to do in life? Just to learn more about that and, and if you had any regrets
[01:03:41] Stretch: yeah. We could make it's powerful. Isn't it? When we sort of sit back and we think about that, I'm a bit the same with my grandparents. Like they were dairy farmers. My grandma was from England.
[01:03:48] My grandma had grown up in Australia, but he traveled to England, you know, with grandma on a boat. And, you know, they came back to Australia on a boat and it's just like all the things that they went through to, you know, have the farm. And they had six kids. And yeah, just think when we compare that to our lifestyles today, just thinking, wow, how tricky or how difficult would that have been?
[01:04:06] So yeah, I can definitely resonate with with that conversation there. If people wanna get in touch with you, if coaches wanna learn more about you and what you do, or if clients are looking, you know, busy corporate clients are looking to find a coach that can help them, where can they find out more about what you do Pradeep.
[01:04:21] Pradeep: I am very active on Instagram, so my Instagram handle is progress with PB. So P for popup B of Bravo progress with PB is where you can find me. My DMS are open. I'm an open book. I have nothing to hide. And what you always get get from me is just pure honesty. I, I don't BS anybody and I'll I'll honestly, I think is most important for everyone to know what is realistic to achieve in terms of timeline.
[01:04:50] So feel free to find me on social media, on Instagram connect with me, even if you on, if you are bounce of ideas with me in terms of marketing, improving how you use a social platform let me know, you know, within my corporate career, I do research on the best creative practices for the Facebook platform.
[01:05:11] So perhaps we can chat further there as well.
[01:05:13] Stretch: Definitely mate. I'd love to have you on for a part too, where we can talk business and talk shop marketing the other side of the coin there, dude, it's been awesome to chat to you. I've really enjoyed this conversation just before we finish up.
[01:05:25] Is there anything else you'd like to add
[01:05:26] Pradeep: First off? You know, thank you for having me. I feel immensely, privileged and honor to be on your podcast. Thank you so much. And you know, just thank, I just wanna thank you that you do for community. I thank you. Put on social media. I mean, just blown away with how real you keep it. So if anything is the only thing I have to add is thank you for being you stretch.
[01:05:52] Thank you so much.
[01:05:53] Stretch: I very kind of you mate. Appreciate that. Thank you very much. Take care. It's been great to speak to you. And like I said, I think that at some point we'll definitely have to do a part two.
[01:06:00] Pradeep: Likewise we'll we'll come up with some great creative best practice questions and we can do a part two, sometime.
[01:06:06] Stretch: Wicked
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